When students are allowed to fail
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Once a year, the School District where my children attend school sends out a parent survey. It is a two page, multiple-choice (strongly agree to strongly disagree) questionnaire seeking to find out what students’ parents think about their home schools.
Questions covered include whether the school provides a safe, encouraging environment; whether the teachers are providing adequate feedback to the parents; whether parents feel their child is getting a effective education… and so on.
For the first four years our oldest attended school without her younger brother, the survey was easy to fill out ~ top marks across the board. JM was an exceptional student ~ brilliant, respectful, motivated ~ the student every teacher hopes to have. She flourished and loved every minute of her education. Her teachers were great. They were attentive, supportive, and encouraging. We couldn’t have asked for a better situation.
Then her brother started school.
The survey results were complete opposites. These same schools, the same teachers, went from excellent to appalling. (I have written about WK’s struggles before here, here and here.) I continue to be dumbfounded by how totally different these two students were treated by the same school system, by the same teachers and administrators. The only difference being one was a gifted student… the other one gifted, but with learning disabilities.
I am not one of those parents who refuses to admit that her child is a difficult student. He is. He has a lot working against him, and a lot of it he brings on himself. He can be disruptive and argumentative. He can be frustrating in that he doesn’t always come to class with paper and pencils, or finished homework. He is easily distracted and often smuggles toys to school with him ~ we would later discover that these trinkets were comfort items and having them was one way WK dealt with his anxiety. We admit all this and more.
WK is not a kid who deliberately tries to disrupt a class. He doesn’t have a mean bone in his body. He wants to do well in school and is genuinely depressed when his classes don’t go well. If given the right opportunities he can be, and has been, an A student.
WK has been diagnosed with ADHD, Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder with panic/ anxiety tendencies. It would be an obscene understatement to say that these ‘issues’ have had a detrimental affect on WK’s ability to function normally in school.
If he were physically disabled, or designated a ’special needs’ student, the administration and teachers would be falling over themselves trying to help. But, as it stands now, simply asking for what the School District itself requires from the teachers, is being met with resistance and in some cases hostility.
This school year started out promising, but soon turn into yet another futile attempt to get teachers to recognize that WK couldn’t just ‘become’ a good student. Try telling a kid to ‘just do’ his homework when his anxiety level is so high he can bearly move. Try telling a kid to work ahead when he is able to, but is so fixated on routine that to do so would throw him into yet another panic attack. His teachers seem to believe that WK can turn these episodes off and on like a light, and that if he simply wanted to, he could do the work.
All we are asking is for each teacher to provide us with a weekly list of his assignments and that his grades be posted in a timely manner so that we can help him stay on track. You would think we were asking for the impossible, for concessions that are not given to any other student. The School District provides teachers with tools to do just this for all their students, yet the majority don’t. To say it’s frustrating doesn’t even come close.
We have been told on a number of occasion that it is not uncommon for gifted students to fail. This makes absolutely no sense to me. Why wouldn’t teachers want to do whatever they could to help a student, any student, but particularly a bright student, succeed? To just abandon them because they may demand a little extra attention is ludicrous.
Just so you know, we have had IEP (Individualized Education Plan) meetings with teachers, set up plans for teachers and WK to work together to help him stay on task, be prepared for class and participate in a meaningful way. These plans would be implemented and followed for a few weeks and then again abandoned… took too much time away from their other classes ~ I don’t think so.
When did it become standard policy to only teach to the easy students? WK still has a long road ahead of him, but his teachers shouldn’t be the ones throwing obstacles in his way.
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Two of his biggest obstacles:
WK’s first grade teacher actually struck him, not once but twice. If I regret anything in my life, it is not pushing to have her fired. At the time we were concerned more for WK than the teacher. She was much loved and respected in the school and community. Whenever we had complained about a teacher prior to this, school life for WK had gone from bad to worse. We feared that had we pursued it to the point of termination, WK would have been forced to move to another school. At the time, based on recommendations from his doctors and counselors, changing schools wasn’t a viable option.
If I had known then, what I know now… I would have homeschooled him, removing him completely from public schools, and had the bitch fired the day we found out.
One middle school teacher had a hate on for him from day one. (Sadly, she was also one of JM’s favorite teachers ~ but, then she was a very low maintenance student.)
Despite what they would tell us about never discussing students, teachers do talk among themselves and do have predetermined biases against students labeled ‘problem children.’
She would yell at him so loudly that students in other classrooms could hear her and ask WK later why Ms S. was so mad at him. If she felt he needed to be disciplined, she would call him to the front of the room and make him call me or his dad while the entire class listened in.
She would call him names and berated him every chance she could.
She tried to have him arrested for stealing when she found him in possession of a ratty tennis ball he had found on the ball field. Going to the extreme of calling in the resource officer, had the football coach not vouched for WK, he would have been handcuffed, processed and arrested for theft of school property.
Her class had gotten so bad, that at one point, the assistant principal had agreed to put a camera in the room. We were never shown that tape. No disciplinary action was ever taken by the administration against her, and there was no alternative class WK could be moved to.
Topping off a truly heinous 8th grade year, she was instrumental in having him banned from his class graduation.
To this day she still refers to him in her classes ~ BY NAME ~ as the ‘worst student’ she ever had during her entire time teaching. (Action against her is still pending)
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No child is so reprehensible that a teacher should subject him or her to daily emotional and verbal abuse. Making it worse is a school adminstration that refuses to step in and moderate simply because you are supposedly the only family that has complained about a particular teacher. If one family files six complaints or six families each file a single complaint, these should still be investigated and not dismissed without any consideration.






















awh TARa,
sorry, i wish this could be so much easier on you. it has been so hard to have difficult teens. i wish it could be easier for both of our families. **hugs** beany
[Tara R.] Beany… I think a good lawyer would make thing easier for us. Teens who are difficult and teens who have difficult lives… I know you understand the heartbreak here, and I appreciate your support.
i meant my difficult teens. that sounds like i was calling WK one and i am not. know what i mean?
[Tara R.] Beany… I knew what you meant sweetie.
WK can be difficult too.
Dammmmmmmmmmn. I can’t tell you how hard I’m having to fight the urge to drive myself to Florida and go all Apeshit-wild-spider-monkey on these “colleagues” of mine.
I’m SO impressed (and, admittedly, a little sad) that you haven’t had to be escorted from school property because you wanted to have a little “chat” with them.
There’s so much more I want to say….but I’m so horrified at their behavior that words are failing me right now. (and we know what a rare thing that is!)
My thoughts are with ya.
[Tara R.] Ms H… I’m afraid that the disbelief that a teacher could be this cruel to a student has been one of our problems. Everyone wants to put ALL the blame on WK and that NO teacher could even be remotely at fault too.
As a former public school teacher (I just turned in my resignation to stay home with my kids and teach and the preschool where they attend),I simply CANNOT believe that this happened! I would have handled your child differently than his actual teachers did! I am embarrassed–what those teachers did leaves a mark on all of us! I promise you…we are not all like that. It breaks my heart to see a child suffer! I have always been a nurturer and parents at the schools in which I taught recognized that. I would often have special requests for students to be in my class. To me, parents are part of the education team and without their help and guidance about their child, a teacher is lost. Parents know their children best. My heart breaks for you. I am so sorry this happened. If only I had the opportunity to help somewhere along the road….
[Tara R.] Mandy… thank you so much. WK has had a few teachers who were great… interestingly they were all male. I know that teaching is a stressful job, I appreciate that very much. Sometimes it just seems that many of them are just going through the motions and fail to see that not all students learn the same way. And those that would benefit from an alternate method, aren’t all ‘problem kids.’
Tara – I’ve actually never been so appalled in my entire life than I am right now. He was struck by a teacher in the 1st grade??? His 8th grade teacher went out of her way to embarrass him repeatedly in front of his whole class???
I seriously don’t know how you have shown the restraint you have!
It disgusts me that it is even possible for teachers to show such favoritism (or lack of it) publicly in a class room… and as a reader of your blog for some time now I know that you have gone through meeting after meeting with his teachers. It kills me to know that they make these grandiose plans to allow him some sense of integration into the class and then abandon them in a week’s time. How dare they blame him!
I know that the education system in this country is not wealthy enough to afford enough teachers, enough supplies, enough individual attention and that many students slip through the cracks… but there is no excuse for this sort of treatment…. particularly when his parents arer so involved!
[Tara R.] CableGirl…it has been a struggle for far too long. These were only the worst cases… and WK’s situtation is by no means unique. That is what is so sad. I worry for all those students who’s parents are involved.
Just remember–the squeaky wheel gets the grease, especially in the Wonderful World of Education. Keep fighting–I have a feeling you’re going to triumph big-time some day!
[Tara R.] Melissa B… I can only hope so! But, I’m still afraid to be too optimistic.
OMG, Tara, I’m so sorry for what you and WK have been through. It’s just not right. And while the situation I’m dealing with right now is nowhere close to that, I can relate to your feeling of frustration (a gross understatement, I know) at not being heard. ((hugs))
[Tara R.] April… for years we were pressured to get a diagnosis for his ADHD (so we could get him medicated) then once we did, and provided medical docmentation, there was no support from the school. If anything, having done all that was just ammunition to blame WK for all his problems while doing nothing to help him.
Hey…I don’t have a google account that’s not in my “real” name. Could you add my link to April’s site? Pretty pleeze?
[Tara R.] Ms. H… done! Glad to do it.
A friend of mine is currently going through the same issues with her son, and they have had little or no success in getting the administrators and teachers to follow the IEP. The issue is teaching in a way that benefits MOST of the students, not ALL of the students. Since I have been privy to her constant struggles both at school AND home regardning her son’t disabilities, I can honestly tell you that I feel your pain and send you thoughts of strength.
[Tara R.] Kori… thanks! The hardest thing is to get the school to recognize WK’s problems as legitimate issues and to work with us and not against us. It should be this hard to get a decent education for your child.
While I am totally grateful that my child does well in school, it breaks my heart (and totally pisses me off) that teachers would treat WK as they do. I’ve always thought that school was for ALL children but MOST ESPECIALLY for those that really need (and want) the help. I realize in big schools it’s easier for the faculty to just lump all kids together in the “problem child” category but I’ve always thought they were supposed to want to help children not make it worse!
You guys hang in there and keep up the good work. I cannot wait to see what greatness WK achieves in his life. While you have probably already thought of this, I suggest you keep names of all those horrible teachers and rub it in their faces when he does achieve greatness(because I have no doubt that he will!)
Love ya (big hug)!
[Tara R.] Dina…he so deserves better than he has been treated. I know he has such wonderful potential and hopefully he will achieve it despite all this set backs.
As many others I am appaled by the level of disrespect shown to a child. Regardless if WK has learning disabilities is this really how an adult treats a child? Hitting, yelling, banning, threats of arrest? I would love for them to have their child treated with such little respect.
[Tara R.] Kim… I can only hope. Karma can be a bitch.. or at least I can hope so.
Oh, Tara, my heart goes out to you and especially to WK.
We had a similar situation with C when he was in K, 1 and 2. And he had a similar profile to WK (except in his case it was severe sensory integration disorder, rather than ADHD). Our IEP wasn’t followed (”he’s gifted, why should HE need services?”), and he had an absolutely miserable time.
We DID pull him out and homeschooled him for six years. It made a world of difference, but we were lucky we could do that. C is back in public high school now, at a school similar to the ones I described in my post, but I know how very, very lucky we are to have such a creative alternative in our district.
I’m also a teacher with 25 + years of experience, and if a colleague of mine struck a child, I’d be the first on the bandwagon to have that colleague REMOVED. Ditto for Ms. 8th Grade.
I’m outraged, but not as surprised as I should be. How truly sad.
If you want to write me off blogs about this, please do – I’ve had years of advocating for kids like WK. (My background is also in gifted education and I’ve worked with tons of gifted/LD students).
[Tara R.] Jen… this sums it up perfectly ‘he’s gifted, why should HE need services?’ These teachers expect gifted kids to be able to automatically adapt regardless of what else they are struggling with. Just once, I would love for each one to have to experience what it’s like to deal with WK when he’s having a panic attack. It is both scary and heartbreaking at the same time… they would never be the same.
This is truly awful. No child should have to deal with such a hostile learning environment.
If he is on an IEP then it is the school’s responsibility to follow that IEP and make sure that he reaches the goals that are laid out in it.
It’s horrendous that the teachers treat him this way.
[Tara R.] Sparking… you would think that with an IEP in place, the teachers would be required to follow through… just doesn’t happen. Too bad we can’t hold up a mirror for them or let them be treated like they treat him.
I’m so sorry that he’s had to go through all of this – and that you guys have, too.
[Tara R.] Zoeyjane… thanks. He puts on a good face, but I know that he is really defeated by all this. I just want him to have a fair chance and he’s not been given that.
What an awful situation. Going to school can’t be much fun for him at all and it’s so hard to watch your child struggling. My kids were complete opposites too, and while daughter was the model student, son was immediately labelled as a problem by all the teachers and I never felt like he got fair treatment. It seemed like they had all made up their minds about him and he could do nothing right.
My heart goes out to you and to WK. Keep fighting for him – you are a great Mom!
[Tara R.] Lynn… it’s that labeling… a kid gets a bad review from one teacher and he can’t shake it. It’s not fair, and I’m running out of ideas.
BTW, looking forward to your contribution to Take Another Look Thursday. It’s a way we can all stay on our toes this summer! And, please–invite your Bloggy Friends to share, too! http://scholastic-scribe.blogspot.com/2008/06/take-another-look-thursday.html
[Tara R.] Melissa B… I have so many books that I can pimp… I really should open my own library.
I don’t even know what to say about this. I am so sorry for what WK has been through. He sounds like a tough guy and you sound like one tough chick — you can do it, don’t let them get you down or out!
[Tara R.] Dingo… he really is a good kid, I just wish he had a decent chance to prove that.
I don’t even know what to say. What a horrible, horrible thing for your son to suffer thru. How could a love of learning ever possibly be fostered in him with such unsupportive and downright nasty teachers?!? I truly hope for both your sake, and your son’s, that everything works out.
[Tara R.] Nikki… we won’t give up until we get him the help he needs.
I’m sorry for what you’ve been through. It’s really hard to read your story, along with other’s on April’s site with the Mr. Linky…it feels like the bulk of people are just taking the opportunity to blast educators in a negative fashion. I’m a teacher and have been for 11 years. It’s an extremely difficult job. Some of us are better than others, obviously. I know you want what is best for WK, but seriously I think most teachers try to do the best for kids. I keep reading of how teachers follow through for a week or two and then abandon a plan or just don’t do it at all…I wonder if you understand that we also have 28 or more other students in the same room to educate? I feel like I do a good job, but I know I am not perfect. And I know that when you have a really high needs student (like one that is 9 years old and lays on the floor refusing to move or has threatened to kill himself) you do the best you can to help them. I wish you would add to your post something a bit more positive…just makes me feel beat up.
[Tara R.] Janelle… I’m sorry you feel like all the negative feelings I have toward my son’s teachers is directed at all teachers. It’s not… just his. I have many friends who are teachers and they are just as angry about what my son is going through. I do understand there are other students these teachers have to educate, but that doesn’t mean my son has to be the sacrifice for all these others. My daughter’s school experience was wonderful! I said that at the beginning of the post. What I don’t understand was why when the bulk of what we are asking for are just resources that we can use at home, not extra attention at school, is being met with such resistance. I’m not asking that the teachers take away any time from other students, but I also don’t expect them to be abusive toward mine, and that is exactly what his 8th grade teacher was. We fought for years just to get the school system to accept his doctor’s diagnosis of ADHD, which was first made when he was in third grade. And now, we still can’t get anyone to listen to us. Beat up? Live a day in my kid’s shoes.
You already know that I’m an educator. As an educator, I feel what Janelle is saying and as a parent of 5 I also feel what you’re feeling.
Maybe it’s really time for you to bring in outside help so that WK’s needs will be met because regardless of everything else, the most important thing is that WK’s rights are protected.
[Tara R.] Chris… I didn’t mean for my post to only be a teacher bashing tirade. But, for my son, the education system has failed him. For every step forward he makes, he’s dragged back two. I just want him to be seen as a person, as a student worthy of an equal education, and he’s not had that for YEARS. What sort of outside help are you suggesting? I could use whatever recommendations you have to offer.
Tara,
Unfortunately, today’s school system caters to the average student. Anyone who falls significantly above or below that line will struggle. I was the gifted child who almost flunked out….more than once. I was so bored and frustrated that I just quit doing work. At first, the teachers told my parents I must be slow and not understand the work. Fortunately, a great pediatrician saw something and suggested my parents have me tested….and the results indicated that I was extremely gifted. Armed with that information, my parents fought with the schools to get me what I needed.
Unfortunately, as I grew older, I tired of the limited scope of gifted education in Florida and ultimately quit the program. The florida education system has only a limited understanding/recognition of exceptional students and its focus is not developing educational plans for individual students, but applying generic plans to students. I was fortunate that I had some extraordinary teachers who went above and beyond the job to keep me interested and engaged in school For two years, I had teachers who developed individual lesson plans for me. Unfortunatley, middle and high school programs were not as flexible, which drove me away. I applaud your tenacity in dealing with the school system and am sure that you will do great in getting WK everything he needs.
[Tara R.] Lorie… my greatest fear is that WK will be so defeated, so degraded by his educational experience, that he will always feel like he is a failure. He has so much potential, but all his self-confidence and self-esteem has been whittled away. Just one kind word, just one moment of encouragement, from his teachers would be so welcome.
I think part of the problem with education lies in the fact that it is culturally acceptable to bash Big Bad “Education”, but we don’t allow/welcome the same open discourse about teachers. Teachers are put on this pedestal as being overworked, underpaid, benevolent, angelic saviors of The Children — and anyone who wants to even whisper a contradictory opinion is stoned in the town square.
Let’s face it folks, while there are those of us who work our asses off to reach as many kids as possible in our classrooms/schools/communities, we need to admit that there ARE teachers who don’t give a flying damn about the “fringe kids” in their classroom. They only want to teach the kids who can sit quietly and play the School Game…and any child who can’t “control” himself is written up, sent out, and eventually written off.
Yes, it takes more patience and energy and time and self-control to teach the kid who can’t sit still…or shut up….or remember to bring a pencil…or work independently for 2 minutes….or control his temper. But. It can be done.
And more teachers better figure out HOW to do it — in a HURRY — because that’s how access to 200 channel TV, the internet, and text messaging are changing what keeps our kids’ attention. The class of 30 students paying rapt attention to The Teacher who is Dispensing Wisdom is fast becoming a social anomaly.
As teachers, we need to drop the defensiveness that causes us to lash out on behalf of Our Own when that teacher isn’t handling his business. Instead, what we need to be doing is turning that anger toward the true target: the colleague who’s making us look bad. Maybe it’s because they need some mentoring. Maybe it’s because they need to find a new job. But WE need to correct the problem before they harm…damage…lose another child.
Let’s not shoot the messenger. Rather, let’s direct our energies toward correcting the problem.
[Tara R.] Ms H… thank you, thank you, thank you. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this.
Wow! First post in a long time where I actually read every comment. As you may or may not know, I am a public school music teacher. I’m so sorry for what you and your son are going through.
[Tara R.] Songbird… yeah, you picked a good one. Thanks for your support.
Ugh, Tara! This was just atrocious and infuriating to read. I give you so much credit for keeping your cool through all of this.
[Tara R.] Huck… thanks sista for all the support. It’s still a fight, but it’s not over.
He sounds a lot like my stepson.
What has been done to him by the school is horrid. I feel so badly for him and you all!
I hope it gets better, somehow.
[Tara R.] Cyndy… I’m sorry to hear your stepson is going through the same thing. I think people would be shocked to learn how often kids are left to fail when they have such great potential to succeed with only a little help. It’s truly tragic. Hope it gets better for your son too.
This breaks my heart to read this & I am filled with absolute rage at these teachers. My brother went through some similar experiences. As I have mentioned before, my daughter does struggle & if I ever feel it is unmanageable I will home school her in a heart-beat.
She is not disruptive and the teachers think she is cute so she gets tons of intervention. I am well-aware of the bias’, esp. towards boys and it kills me to think of it. Lucky that he has such wonderful parents.
[Tara R.] Eve… as much as I hate to admit it, I think that if WK were a girl, he would have an easier time of it. I’ve said before, if I had to do it over, I would have homeschooled. I hope school doesn’t get that bad for your daughter. Good luck to her and you.
Here are some things you wrote:
I numbered them and commented in parenthesis.
1. Along the way, WK has had a couple of teachers that seemed to understand he was different.
(A couple?) You didn’t even let them know the problem until he was an adolescent.)
2.We fought this for years. I did not want my boy to be medicated, I did not want him to be labeled. I did not want this stigma to follow him for the rest of his life.
(Is “gifted” a stigma? You don’t mind that label for your girl/boy. I too am ADHD and gifted.
3.Hubs took this meeting. I usually don’t attend these because they are so infuriating. I tend to get emotional and my road raging tendencies begin to surface. I think Hubs is concerned I will go all spider monkey on one of these bitches and get arrested.(You’re right. Teachers DO talk amongst themselves. And you can bet you’re attitude is a biggy.)
4. One of his teachers would consistently be 2-3 weeks behind on grades. (One teacher? OK. How many did he have all year—in total? I will take a guess. That was less than 10% of his total teachers.
I taught 31 years. Middle school. Retired 2nd year now. Actually kids like yr son were my faves. I s’pose I wulda been one of the only females you “liked” and w/ whom he did well. However, I can also Bet My Bottom Dollar (regardless of what you say) that +I+ could have gotten by w/ “breaking” the rules (IEP) of posting the week’s work, etc…simply cuz you and the kid would have liked me–and my class. (Many years is was GT (Gifted and Talented), but often it was just plain ole “Language Arts”
Anyhoo, I have met a bazillion like you. I was fortunate; maybe because I (unusual too) was a girl—>woman who never outgrew the ADHD.
We are creative, opinionated, stubborn.
And might I also mention rule-breakers (as in we color outside the lines and draw a race car on the back of a worksheet cuz “Teacher said I could draw after coloring.”)
Smart enuf to get around the rules to follow our own paths.
That leads to a tough (young) adulthood. After, Mom and Dad have let you go. After college. You know. The Real World.
When yr boss tells you to finish a spread sheet and so you do some half-assed job so you can create a killer sales pitch for the company.
And the sales pitch fails.
And the spread sheet sucked.
And yr boss is GPO’d. (generally pissed off)
And you tell him, “I am ADHD.”
And he gives you a Pink Slip.
Best,
SL
We will get help for our kid or there will be hell to pay.
[Tara R.] Syb…
1) The first time we told the school administration WK was ‘different’ was in first grade. It wasn’t until he was in high school that we were taken seriously, and when the guidance counselor told us about a form we needed filled out my his doctor. We could have given them that YEARS ago if we had only known about it. That was the first time anyone mentioned this form.
2) ‘Gifted’ wasn’t a stigma, being ADHD was. It was as if those four little letters caused a ripple of shutting doors and closing minds.
3) I never believed that line about teachers not talking to each other, making judgements before they even met their students – that’s human nature. It was the flat-out lie they told me saying they didn’t that I found offensive. My attitude got bad when nothing we said or brought to teacher conferences regarding the medical documentation regarding WK was acknowledged. Even once we had the 504 Form (I think that is the right name), we still faced teachers who refused to work with us, wouldn’t even attend the conference. Yeah, I have a bad attitude.
4) He had several teachers who were routinely late posting grades (more than half). He had one who ignored our direct requests for his grades or what assignments he had missed. The others were at least decent about returning calls or e-mails.
As for what he’s life will be like away from school and away from his dad and me, that is my greatest fear. That he will never learn how to cope with all these obstacles, and not be able to function as an independent adult. Scares the living hell out of me.
Thank you for your contributions to this discussion. If you have any suggestions on how to approach his future teachers, I would greatly appreciate it.
I think even if one family makes one comment then it should be investigated… why does it need to happen more than once. Once is too much!
[Tara R.] MamaWise… you would think, wouldn’t you? Once IS too much.
As a teacher, this frustrates me to no end. As a human, this saddens me beyond belief. As a mother, my heart breaks.
I would NEVER. EVER. EVER treat a child this way. I woudn’t–NO MATTER the circumstances.
First grade. A child. He deserved . . . deserves . . . so much more.
This is why one day I will be back in a classroom. I pride myself on being that teacher that GETS it.
Tara, talk to his teachers. All of them. Share your story. Stay involved. Stay connected. I have parents of children who stayed involved and they were the real reason I was able to help their child achieve success in the classroom. Keep being his advocate . . .
[Tara R.] Laskigal… thank you. I know there are so many wonderful teachers who would be great with WK, I just wish the ones he has now could see how how great his potential is and work with him instead of against him.
You might look into Erskine College
Due West, SC
They have been working w/ sp ed kids for 3 decades (along w/ reg population kids)
Private but small, EXCELLENT ed
I was Just playing devil’s advocate.. IN A WAY..
Teachers do NOT place much weight on heresay about kids… not even the bad teachers..they wait and judge themselves. They DO however listen to heresay about parents.. particularly ” This mom has a bad attititude. Be careful. They’re also sue happy.”
And who could blame us?
On another note, I know a 504 is a binding document, BUT (again playing devil’s advocate)….. when you have a kid w/ an illness, say…., you go to a specialist (doctor) and that specialist doctor is gonna cost you more $$$ and give you NO extra services (such as posting info on latest diagnosis discoveries, etc) Am Just trying to tell/show you that when you take one teacher and 100 kids (5 classes, 20 kids a class—that’s a LOW estimate) and in EACH of those classes, you have one kid w/ a 504, and 4 others w/ IEPs.. That’s 25% of yr population w/ specific legal needs
And, +I+ am TRULY ADHD… and I had all this stuff written and what-not… and OH WELL, n/m
You truly NEED to teach to TRULY +get+ it.
Thank God our Father that I took special delight w/ those rascals and thus they were never (or rather the parents) thorns for me–but roses.
PH.. one more suggestion just from the helter/skelter way this is written, you should be able to tell I am ADD.. so jumpy!!)
Have you looked into a “shadow” for yr son?
+That’s+ THE answer.
SL
[Tara R.] Syb… I do appreciate all the great input to this discussion. I’ll check out Erskine.
I heard about ’shadows’ from a friend whose son is bipolar, but it is not an option that we’ve been offered for WK.
I know that at this point my attitude does completely suck, but we have never threatened law suit – at least out loud
If a 504 Form is not helpful, why make us jump through hoops before even telling us about it? I just want someone, a teacher, administrator, anyone – to tell us what they want us to do to help them, help WK.
I just want him to have a chance at a good life.
You can get a shadow. Show them documentation that teachers arent following the 504, IEP (that yr not getting the assignments in a timely order. (Affects his self esteem/mood/mental health/family wholeness) I have a friend.. sp ed teacher for 35 yrs.. IF you are persistent.. you can get any dang thing you want.. whether they (the kids) “quailify” or not. Make them meet to death. They’ll cave. I can find out some buzz words, or better yet—put you in touch w/ her.
SL
[Tara R.[ Syb… thanks! Where are you located. We’re in NW FLA.
hilton head island, sc
she’s on vacation now
what do you want? her email or some buzz words?
it will be about 2 weeks either way
my email is on my profile
[Tara R.] Syb… for now, I think some buzz words would be most helpful. If I sound like I know what I’m taking about, maybe I won’t have to bring out the big guns. I truly don’t want to make matters worse by being a pain in the ass, I just want some help for WK. I’ll send you an email. Thanks again!
My friend gave me some great words and suggestions
LauderdaleGT
yahoo
And yea… deer do swim”:)
[Tara R.] Syb… thanks again for all your help.
I have nothing even close to add to what some other commenters have said. I’m worried for my Hannah, but we still have another year of preschool.
My best friend just had the year from hell with her gifted high-school-junior son. His math & English teachers, who lunched together every day at Sonic by the way, made his (and my friend’s) lives a living hell. He has a genious I.Q. (literally), but they celebrated when he earned a 60% as his final grade in math. We’re hoping his senior year will be stellar, if for no other reason but to stick it in those womens’ faces.
I hope the buzz words work for you.
[Tara R.] Angela… I’ve told WK that success would be his greatest revenge.